Dog Advocate: Stop cutting up
perfectly healthy dogs. The beauty and grace of these dogs are from the
attributes they were born with, not from the abuses of inhumane beings. And yes
there are humane ways to sterilize a dog also. Contact: 600milliondogs.org
Concentrate on stopping the dog meat trade, and leave these dogs the way God
Emma: @Laura - sorry for the misunderstanding. Congratulations on your
AKC champion WITH tail!
Laura: Jeff, Your statement is not true. I don't care if others dock
their puppies. That's up to them. I chose not to dock my last (and final)
litter, because I love the tails. What I object to is the close minded people
(and judges) who are fighting tooth and tail to keep natural tails and ears out
of the AKC show ring. I say, let all dogs complete, and may the best dog win.
(Emma--for the record, I own the FIRST female AKC Champion with a natural tail.
She is also the ONLY natural tailed AKC Grand Champion.)
Emma: So, dogs should be docked to help judges? Why not improve quality
of judges instead? I am not a judge, but can easily tell a Rottweiler from a
Labrador, both have tails in Europe.
Jeff: James. Hearing isn't affected by natural hanging ears. Check the
James: Floppy ears, for example, may look adorable on dogs and rabbits,
but they actually are a result of malformed ear cartilage. An animal hoping to
hear well isn't going to benefit from having the ear flopped down alongside its
Joe: "The history of breeding is rich in this sort of thing, you breed
selectively for one trait and often get something unexpected that is linked to
it in some unanticipated way," Adam Wilkins of the Institute of Theoretical
Biology in Berlin, lead author of a paper in the journal Genetics, pointed out
in an email.
Surprises like floppy ears were unanticipated, but were they a bad thing? "I
think not," Wilkins said. "In the case of domesticated animals, most of them
would not survive very well in the wild if they were released, but in captivity
they do perfectly well and while the traits of the "domestication syndrome" are
technically defects, they do not seem to harm them.
Laura: There ARE judges who think a Rottweiler with a tail looks like a
Labrador. They've said it OUT LOUD, and in writing. Now those are judges I
wouldn't walk across the street to show to, if they can't make a distinction
between those two breeds just because of the tail!!
Jeff: For anyone, judge or otherwise, who can't tell a purebred from a
mix because of cropping or docking ... Well. They don't know dogs very well.
Away a day and come back to these comments! Wow. I'm here because I love
purebred dogs. Docked. Cropped or not. Final time. Ear health is related to
cropping. Read the AVMA data. Soft look ears? Tell that to the flop eared guard
dogs. Geez folks. If you don't like ears and tails, have what you like. Just
stay out of my business if I prefer natural. It's solely aesthetic choices.
Medically. Not related.
Emma: "I don't want people walking up to me and saying, oh, what kind of
dog is that, it must be a mixed breed" - and that is your reason for mutilating
an animal? Personal vanity? And you call that love?
Laura: cherifell said "NO ONE CAN TAKE AWAY MY RIGHT TO PERSONAL
PREFERENCE." cherifell, you are absolutely right. But the anti-tail/crop
"groups" have tried very hard to take away MY personal preference to own a
tailed Rottweiler, by fighting to keep a written description of a natural tail
out of our standard. Why is that okay? I've asked from the beginning, why the
fear of docked and natural tails competing in the show ring together? If the
docked dog is a better dog than the tailed dog, then by all means, it should
win. AND VICE VERSA!! EVERY AKC standard for breeds with previous cropped
ears/docked tails should be changed to include descriptions of uncropped
ears/undocked tails. Then people would have the right to enter their dogs,
without discrimination, and may the best dog win!!! Oh, and BTW--I am VERY
thankful that there are OPEN MINDED judges out there that can judge and award a
good dog PERIOD. These judges would ALWAYS get my entry.
Anonymous: When I walk down the ring at a show or outside in the yard, or
wherever I am with my dogs, Dobie, Yorkie I don't want people walking up to me
and saying, oh, what kind of dog is that, it must be a mixed breed dog, or it
doesn't look like a Dobie, it has long tails, droopy ears! When I walk out into
the world with my champions, I want to walk proudly with my breed that looks
like the breed that I love to begin with. And yes it does matter with health
issues long ears flop, get wet inside causes ear infections with the tail docked
and ears done on the Dobie, they walk with pride If I had wanted a mixed breed
whatever to whoever, I would have gone to the local pound.
cherifell: I think this debate will go on forever. It boils down to
individuality whether one dog beats its tail on the wall or if the floppy eared
dog gets ear infections. It's also personal preference whether you like the
crop/docked look or not. I certainly won't apologize to anyone for my personal
preference. NO ONE CAN TAKE AWAY MY RIGHT TO PERSONAL PREFERENCE. They can take
away my right to crop/dock. I LOVE the look of a well conformed, oversized,
crop/docked guard breed but as much as I dislike it, those who oppose crop/dock
will eventually win with information based on medical fact not personal
preference. Bad guys will learn uncropped guard dogs still have teeth. I love
all breeds of dogs and want to own as many of my favorite breeds in my lifetime
as I can but looks like I will never get to own a beautiful crop/docked Doberman
and I won't own a Doberman with floppy ears and whip tail nor will I own a
Rottweiler with a tail. My biggest fear? The precedence being set for the demise
of the pet. Lately it seems like my favorite saying is "I'm glad I won't be
around long enough to see the end of ____". You fill in the blank with your
Disgusted Brit: First let me say that agreed with the comments and
sadness the first year a flop eared Dane appeared at group level. Not one person
in our judges group like the "look" and all agreed a breed bred to protect is
more laughable than threatening when it has drop ears. It changes the look of
the dog and projects a soft character as in our beloved spaniels. The demand for
Alsatians and Belgians immediately shot up. My judge friends must keep low
profile on this issue but there, I have had my say on behalf of the mother
country of your terrier breeds and an unarmed populace that feels very unsafe
without guarding breeds that look the part.
Emma: I am glad cropping and docking is no longer allowed in Germany and
many neighboring countries. As far as I know FCI standards don't allow wording
in standards that request cropping/docking. When cropping was still done in the
early eighties, my mom bred Yorkshires. I asked her not to cut off the tails as
I felt it was cruel. They squeaked. She advised me, the puppies had to get their
tails docked in order to get pedigrees. I am happy it is forbidden over here.
BARB BAKER: Dobermans ears and tail cropping has been done for years you
cannot neuter a male or spay a female with a surgery done.. Is not what we are
suppose to do is control dog population as far as ear docking and tails the dogs
look fine as they are....I have raised and bred dogs for many years and I always
went by the ALC ruling... Not everyone has show ring dogs.
Jeff: Thanks Emma. The Rottweiler is as popular there as ever. There are
likely as many tailed Rottweilers here in the US as docked. Just search on the
web. The difference is that what most see in the show ring are docked.
Emma: I am from Germany.
Cropping of ears was prohibited by law in 1987, docking of tails was prohibited
in 1998. There is an exception for hunting dogs, but I think this is under
review. People are happy with their natural dogs. Great Danes and Dobermanns are
still popular breeds. It seems to be common practice for breeders in the US to
sell companion dogs on a spay/neuter agreement. Breeders over here don't do
that. People only neuter their dogs, if there is an indication to do that (e.g.
Jeff: KK What breed? It's
great you like them cropped. Docked. Do so as long as you like. It's not
necessary. But if you like it I support you
KK: I have no problem with ear cropping and tail docking. I also have no
problem with dew claw removal. Cropping is done under anesthesia and is no more
painful than a spay or neuter of a dog. I have owned cropped/docked breeds all
my life. I *want* them to be cropped or docked as called by the breed standard.
My working dogs still do work for a living, they are docked and/or cropped for
this reason and are not shown in conformation shows. Glad there are still vets
out there that will do this and glad that there are still breeders who are not
afraid to continue this practice.
Jeff: @Anonymous 2. That is too bad, but your board cannot demand
anything in this area about its members and their choices for their dogs. If
they do try and force people to dock or crop to show, report them to AKC.
Yes, such a mindset decimates clubs and the sport. Some small minded folks would
like a club for "the breed" to be their handful of people all thinking alike.
Well parent clubs represent that breed, ALL of that breed in this country and as
such a small clutch of people cannot demand you do or not do anything as it
relates to you and decisions for your dogs related to presentation and showing.
If you need help please email me. AKC in fact has taken a better position
..all judges must examine and judge ALL specimens docked, cropped or natural
brought to them regardless of the standard on the ears and tails.
Anonymous 2: My breed board still supports cropping and docking, more
like they DEMAND it and if you don't they will go to great lengths to eradicate
you from the club, and show ring. The club leaders insist that members dock &
crop, there is no room for compromise in their small minds. Not only has the
national club membership decreased but the breeds rankings with the AKC continue
to plummet, though I don't think this fact is because of the docking & cropping
issue, I believe it to more related because of the negative personalities of the
officers and board members. They do not want new people in the breed. New people
and fresh ideas are not met with open minds. Docking and Cropping are definitely
an issue with my breed club, deep lines have been drawn in the sand by the club
and if you dare cross over to the other side you had better be prepared for the
most vile and unsportsmanlike fight of your life, be prepared to hire an
attorney, you'll need one. And then there is the AKC that is in a position to
resolve the issue, but they continue to do nothing.
Jeff: There may be anecdotal cases. But no. Generally not. Please read
the AVMA site on ear issues and cropping. I have a cropped Griff right now with
ear infections. Does that mean cropping caused it? No. As I said. If cropping
made ears healthy all breeds would be cropped.
Jim Perry: I had Great Danes for 25 years. I also train all breeds. I
know from experience that cropped ears are healthier than drop ears due to air
flow. With a drop eared dog, the owner must clean the ears regularly to avoid
moisture build-up. With any erect ear breed, the owners know they stay dryer and
Jeff: To the anonymous post below about ears. Please reread the comments
and peruse the AVMA site on cropping. There is no documented evidence cropped
ears are healthier that hanging ears. If there were the as would happily crop
every dogs ears. Further ear health was never considered as a reason to crop in
your breed. It was supposedly so the "bad guy" has less to grab (another crazy
reason considering all the protection dogs with drop ears
Anonymous Response: Chris, cropping and docking serves a very real
purpose. It is not strictly "aesthetic". A cropped ear will not foster infection
the way a dropped ear will. My champion Labrador suffered his entire life with
ear infections caused by his heavy dropped ear. If I could have cropped him, I
would have. After he passed away, I threw away hundreds of dollars in ear
remedies. I spent thousands of dollars in vet bills in regards to his ear
infections. I also have Dobermans and if they are not docked, they can hit thing
with their tails and open them up. Yes, docking and cropping does have practical
Chris: I find it extremely disappointing that the reason for cropping or
docking is to make a pretty line. It’s a total BS answer. And when people say
that I know that they are mired in nostalgia and place little emphasis on canine
welfare. There is no reasonable reason to continue docking and cropping. Dogs
don't beat their tails until their bloody, they don't get them bitten off in
bull fights. So many breeds are not docked and clipped that suggesting not doing
it will negatively effect tail set is just absurd. I feel its like continuing to
argue with Flies about the meaning on Judge Judy. The breed standard for my
breed has accepted undocked tails, although they don't seem to know what to do
when judging full tails. And more pet owners want the tail, because they see
that archaic practice of docking as what it is, pointless. Oddly enough, we
don't spay/neuter to make a dog pretty. We do it to keep them from breeding. We
crop ears and tails for no reason other than aesthetics, and it has no
justification. No educated one anyway.
Jeff: The vast majority of ALL service dogs are ....Labs and Goldens
......Guess what? They all have tails! So much for the perceived risk of some
door slamming tail injury. If that were some real issue all dogs would be
docked. As for ear health, the AVMA site has debunked that theory, long
espoused as some reason to force people to crop .There is simply no statistical
scientific proof cropped ears are "healthier" ...If there were vets would be
raking in the cash and telling all breeds to crop.
Cropping/Docking videos on why the simple
procedure is necessary to the preservation of breed type and/or function. You will also
see that tail docking
(done before pain receptors are fully developed) and ear cropping (done under
general anesthesia) are neither painful nor cruel.