Here are some the best responses to Extinct
Show Breeders, positive, doable, well-reasoned.
Kurt Williams - "After
reading this article the first thing that comes to mind is show
breeders need their own site. May be a Facebook Page where they
can post and advertise legitimately and honestly. Maybe it can
be hosted and done by referral of other show breeders. We can be
our own worst nightmare but it is a thought."
Joyce DeLay Kaviak
Alaskan Malamutes "Enjoyed the article---nice work."
Sande Wheeler B Sky
Kennel Griffin, GA - "I have been showing dogs for over four decades. I don't do
politics! I show to have fun with my kids and then come home. I
do not belong to any clubs anymore---I know how to gossip if I
want and not one of them has ever done anything for me. When I
have a litter of pups I sell them without Papers to screw AKC. I
tell the buyers that if they just have to have papers they can
register them with CKC for $15.00 bucks. More money AKC doesn't
get. Anyone can do that also. The only puppies registered with
AKC are the ones I keep. I show any and all other kennel clubs
and AKC is the last one I take them to. My buyers still sign my
contract and I still keep babies until they have had all their
puppy shots. My babies are quality babies and all parents have
the proper testing before being bred. Usually there a waiting
list before the babies get here. If not, I advertise on free
sites. I know this would horrify show breeders to do this
however I have made great friends thru puppy sales. Funny isn't
it I still sell my babies while they are holding on to those
high priced babies and giving AKC papers. I would much rather
have a great home than the money and I get those great homes!
"These animal rights creeps have never scared me and they never
will-------let them bring it on. We will survive if we do it right."
Lisa Foster - "One thing I think we
can do is visit schools often, throughout all the different
grades. Teach the children while they're young & impressionable
that it is not evil to be a responsible breeder. Teach them how
to recognize a responsible breeder & definitely visit the high
school ages as a lasting impression. Maybe breed clubs could get
together & have neighborhood information days/get-togethers."
Chatham Hill Dogs - "I really hope you can help to educate the Show Breeders and the public. Its necessary to address this from both sides of the fence to improve the situation for dogs first. Once that main issue is addressed the rest will improve around it as well. The outcome should be a fix through education
resulting in changes in practice on the part of the breeders and
better educated perceptions by the Public."
Ellana L Clarke
MyLUV Old English Sheepdogs & CHI-KUAN Shar-Pei "In 2007, I retired
from the dog game after almost 38 years. I bred, trained (conformation and
obedience) exhibited (both as an owner-handler and as a professional) and even
found time to do a little rescue work when time and money permitted. When I
started in OES, my mentor was Dr. Oren and Aggie Bush and they taught me that I
can only control myself. I have to know what my morals and ethics are, what's
major important to ME with my breed and individual dogs and move forward,
ignoring the vast arrogance and greed that floods the dog world. Nothing I can
do will change how the world around me revolves so I did the best I could with
what I had and improved with each passing year and litter.
"I bred nothing unless it had proved itself in the show ring.
Before a breeding was planned, each dog had to be thoroughly
tested for anything and everything it could be tested for. I had
many CHIC dogs, many champions, many nationally ranking dogs
including the most titled SP bitch in the world. The other thing
I could not control was the fatal kidney problems the SP has. If
it was every sick, for whatever reason, it was eliminated from
my showing and breeding program. As long as stayed on to my
morals and ethics track, the breed was safe with me.
"I watch all these fanatics trying to control clubs, breeders and
exhibitors and I really have to laugh. Do they really think they
are winning this game? They may have more followers than we do
but they are all uneducated, being lead around by the nose. We
cannot allow them to intimidate us. We, everyone, has a right to
do what they want with their property. If it isn't what we would
do, we just have to turn our heads and keep moving forward. I
don't have time to fight ignorance.
"We need to form a legal organization to protect our interests
and hire the best legal representation we can find. When and if
we are threatened, we leave the matter to our legal consultants.
Membership fees to this organization will help pay the bills but
maybe we'll have to pitch in a little more to cover the
expenses. It shouldn't matter. We'll get the job done. We could
call our organization, Breeders' Protection League, BPL, for
short. Doesn't matter the breed or where you live or why
you have the dogs you do. You have someone watching your back
and fighting for your rights as an American.
"We can do this quietly and with dignity. Before too long, people
will be moving to our side because they will realize WE are the
smarter, more progressive organization. We can have a yearly
national meeting where we spend time educating the members who
have come to us for help. We cannot allow ourselves to judge one
another but to support and guide them in the right directions
"Breeders can take more control with the results of their hard
work by making sure the unqualified puppies are sold spayed or
neutered. We sell them for a more reasonable fee and we stay
tuned into the new home. It's really so very simple to take
charge and make changes for our benefit and our breeds' welfare."
Clint Werner - "I believe that a
group of wealthy fanciers should purchase ad space each week in
USA Today and highlight a breed at risk and encourage people who
want to take a stand against extinction to do the noble thing
and keep breeds alive. The ad should have an exquisite photo and
something about the history of the breed. We need to promote dog
shows to the public as cheap, wonderful, wholesome family
outings that children love. Thank you for your work! Clint
Werner longhaired standard dachshund owner for 50 years, God
Linda G Braun - "Show dog breeders
should REQUIRE that all registered puppies have parents who are
certified as passing the breed club-recommended health tests. If
they won't do health tests, they ARE puppy mills."
Dee Burdick - "Your article was
right. Right now. I'm sitting on year old, champion breed male,
Yorkies, neutered, vetted, rabies, blood work checked, micro
chipped......can't find buyers for $800."
Jan, Bestuvall Bull
Terriers “Best Breed On A Lead" - "It would sure be nice
to be able to copy some of your stuff to send to my breed
lists.. they will not allow attachments.." We've had the
webmaster remove the no-copy code from this page. See
icons about and please, share away.
Dana Agresta, AKC Breeder
of Merit, Legislation liaison GRC & SRCGT Hiddenoaksworkingfarm
- "Well, extinct... went all over!! I sent it and it has hit me 2x over thru facebook and
all over on the yahoo list!! 2 thumbs up!!!"
Sherry L Shivley - "Although we are
putting ourselves squarely in the bullseye of PETA HSUS and the
other crazies, we need to promote ourselves. We need to
advertise on Animal Planet. We need to travel to schools and
teach the children that purebreds are not bad. They are Healthy!
We need to break up the cliqs and welcome in new people. Help
them find Mentors, Breeders, Handlers. Let them know that their
children can get scholarships for showing. EDUCATE! Welcome! Be
the person your Dog thinks you are!"
Sandra Himsley - "I used to be a member of an Australian forum, Dogzonline, I love
breeding good sound dogs, but I hate the bitchiness and
backbiting that goes on in the Australian show scene… I wasted breath and credibility saying, we need to be proactive,
we need to make sure we are not creating dogs that can’t
reproduce without a vet, this breed (Chihuahua) has been in
existence for thousands of years without needing a vet. The show
scene is NOT improving the breed! Extinct Show Breeders Editorial
is spot on. Just today, I talked to a breeder who has bred
amazing dogs but she is finished as a breeder because someone
made complaints to the RSPCA (who) inspected her dogs and
left happy… but the council ranger banned her from owning more
than 4 dogs despite being a licensed registered kennel for over
20 years. Another top breeder gone.
Australia has over 25
million people yet our registered breeders have continually
fallen to now 6,000 and I know more who will not renew. This youtube
video (shows just one) of the shootings and the cattle.
They turned up thinking she would not be home. Fortunately she
was running late and still home when the “euthanization” took
place, her sisters took photos and video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehl1GvGVa3M this is
Alice Grillo - "One idea comes to mind…. Get Show Breeders to petition the AKC
to use its funds (or garner donations) to counter-advertise. If
the HSUS and PeTA and ASPCA run touching ads on Television, they
can be countered with touching ads from AKC, CKC, FKC, UKC, any
of the big clubs, but mostly AKC. We can and should advertise AS
A WHOLE. I would sign a petition. I would be willing to offer
ideas on what these commercials should say. I would be willing
to pound on a few doors.
"Example thoughts: “Purebred puppies make perfect companions. You
don’t have to have a champion, you don’t need to show your dog,
to want the best for your dog. A puppy from parents who have
undergone rigorous health screening, a puppy who has been
socialized from birth and raised in an environment that fosters
the best possible outcome for the puppy, a puppy who comes with
a guarantee of health or your money back – is this what you
would want for your family? Of course it is.
"Responsible breeders, the passionate breeders of your favorite
breed are serious people who are devoted to the health,
integrity and well-being of their dogs. They go above and beyond
what you would imagine a breeder would do.” This, voiced-over a
video of purebred dogs, male and female, romping, playing,
fetching, cuddling – all NON competitive activities. Then
puppies in whelping boxes. Puppies playing, puppies being
weaned, learning to climb, seeing their world expand…pan out to
puppies in the arms of adults, kids in the forefront, puppies
giving sloppy kisses, kids giggling…and a reminder that the
puppy is health guaranteed. Meaning your puppy will have a
forever home, even if you can no longer keep it, your breeder,
your “partner” in the life of your puppy, will take this puppy
back, no questions asked. It would be interesting, if we would
do it. Something along the lines of the “I could be great”
commercials, which are quite moving, in my estimation."
Lori C-C SFX Samoyed - "Will be interesting
to see if this gains any traction. Good cause, though I wish
their petition had been spell-checked and proof-read.
Grammatical errors are distracting..." (editor’s
note: The petition to which she refers https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/remove-all-proposed-legislation-supported-humane-society-united-states-illegally-operating/3FszpwRN
was removed from the government site due to lack of signatures.)
Kathy Grayson - "I just read your article. I have been telling the General Public
that HSUS and Peta are trying to make Pets Extinct for years. Of
course, nobody believed it could happen. I feel that this is a
war between animal lovers and Animal Rights zealots. HSUS and
Peta were the first and most effective. Now that ASPCA is in
cahoots with HSUS they are a big problem.
"A couple of years ago I came up with an Idea to inform the
general public, especially the LA/ Hollywood area – (it) got a
lot of attention. The campaign was called Bucks For Billboards.
I have a friend who is a dog show Superintendent that had access
to many dog people. We got donations to put up 100 billboards in
Los Angeles that said "Protect Your Right To Own a Pet" and it
had the international NO sign with HSUS and Peta in the center.
www.ExposeAnimalRights.com was the first domain name we got for
people to go to and learn the truth. We contacted NAIA who was
interested in promoting a website for the billboards.
"The L A Times contacted me because they wanted to write a column
about the billboards in their paper. We were called "Greedy
Breeders" and were ashamed to let anybody know we occasionally
breed dogs. I think the pendulum may be starting to swing back
the other direction. I have had more people interested in
purebred dogs lately. They didn't have so much luck with the
"Now, I think it is time for Breeders be proud of what they
produce and to take back the language. When somebody calls that
wants a "rescue" I say, "Do you think my dogs need to be rescued
from me? Or do you just want a free or inexpensive dog?" It
shocks them but, it gives them something to think about. When
somebody calls me to "Adopt" a puppy or dog, I say "Do you want
to buy a puppy/dog? I have some for sale, not adoption" If we
don't do this, we allow the AR's to continue to be in charge.
"I think that AKC needs to start promoting "Breeders" big time.
They could put up billboards and advertise in movie theaters
(inexpensive advertising). They are trying to make more money.
They count on breeders for registrations. If it wasn't for us,
there would be no AKC! We need to be proud to be breeders of
purebred dogs again. These are just a few (ideas). Thank you for
publishing that article."
Carry-On Whippets - "Dear TheDogPress, I think the main tool should be education. The
HSUS and PETA and the rest of the AR people are winning the
battle because they have gotten their message to the public and
we have NOT. Unfortunately John Q Public has bought the glossy
ads and the accusations that we are just as bad as puppy mills
and that every time we produce a puppy we "kill a shelter dog".
We have become ashamed and have gone into hiding!
"First we need to debunk the idea of the "horrible overpopulation
problem" in this country. People need to know that "rescues" are
dragging dogs up from the south into northeastern states and
bringing in dogs from out of the country to fill their shelters!
They need to know that dogs coming in from outside of this
country are bringing in parasites that we don't have in this
country as well as rabies. They need to know that reputable
breeders only produce 10% of the dogs in this country.
"All of this information needs to get out to the general
population, but how do we compete with the deep pockets of HSUS
and PETA? It is a simple matter of money. WE need some deep
pockets of our own for glossy magazine ads and tv spots, but who
will help? AKC could, but they won't shoot their bottom line in
the foot by alienating the puppy mills....oh, excuse me, the
"high volume breeders"!! AKC has abandoned us, pure and simple.
Unfortunately, I don't have the answers as to where we can turn,
but I do believe that this is the only way we will win the
battle and regain our dignity as responsible breeders.
"Thank you for printing your article and allowing people to share
it. Sincerely, Can you believe I even hesitated to put my
kennel name on this? "
Anne Wylie - "I think if we could
get show breeders to band together and have multiple ads.....in
dog world, dog fancy, on line websites....we could get our names
out there and sell our pet puppies..for instance say one show
breeder has no puppies for sale but if they got the contact
could refer the contact to someone who does have a pet puppy for
sale.... like this place to put up a cute picture...tell about
the baby..if we could do this and get more contacts what it does
is give us a choice of where our babies go....some good some not
so good some good contacts....we would still have to qualify the
contacts of course...is better than our not breeding...we will
eventually give up I fear."
Julia Perry - "I would most
assuredly work towards an organization such as
TUBA. Thanks for the article."
home of Mel-Mar Rottweilers - "Hello, we have bred Rottweilers for 26 yrs … so far we have not
had any trouble finding GOOD home's for our puppies. We only
bred to keep something back to show so we just have 1 litter a
year if that so I usually have a waiting list.
"As pure bred breeders we need to let the public know that when
you get a dog or puppy from the pound the door can be opened to
many problems such as social issues, health. When buying a
(breeder’s) puppy the new owners have a fresh start with their
pup it costs just as much if NOT more to get a dog or pup from
the shelter by time they pay several hundred dollars up front
then re training… in some case's if irreversible health problems
come into play. Somehow we need let the public know that well
bred dogs is where it's at though advertisement. My dogs are
advertisement because I TAKE THEM EVERYWHERE to the store's
where they allow dogs, outside restaurants, parks, and people do
want to see them and pet them they ask questions my dogs are
ambassadors of our breed.
"It's sad our sport of dog showing is getting less entries more
and more. AKC has been trying to introduce more venues for
people to get interested in hope it helps."
Consultant - "Wouldn’t it be
wonderful if a dog-fancier lawyer or legal firm “on our side”
could be the clearing house for reputable breeders who are
afraid to advertise because HSUS, PETA, etc. might be knocking
on their doors with inspection teams! Maybe for a small
registration or listing fee to cover some actual costs such as
advertising, postage, etc., not legal fees."
Hyta The breeds are doomed unless the AKC either gets rid of the limited registration or curtails its use with rules. For instance, if a person limits the registrations of a litter, that breeding should never be duplicated, and if a dam or sire have offspring with different mates of which more than 1/3 in each breeding end up limited, then that dam or sire may have a problem. The idea here is that the dog who’s papers are limited must have something genetically wrong with it and the idea that a breeder should curtail the future breeding of dogs they sell is nothing but protectionism which has in fact harmed the very people who set out to protect themselves. I have
been in dogs for over three (human) generations as even my Grandmother was a show breeder of Bostons and Scotties. And I am telling you the show world and the pet world are BOTH enhanced by the dogs bred even by people who are not show breeders. The alternative is far worse. It is designer dogs, imported
diseased dogs and shelters actually breeding mutts so they can
have leaders to get people into the shelters. I would like to
remain anonymous on this one, because I shot from the hip…"
Claudia "Breed for
function, not form. Breeding for form ultimately creates
caricatures of the real dogs that have befriended and served
humanity for millennia. If your line can no longer efficiently
do what it was originally developed to do, but still wins best
in show for that breed, you've gone too far.
"Open your clubs to include mixed breed registrations
and/or events and focus competition on what dogs and owners can
do together, instead of simply what a dog looks like. Be
inclusive, rather than exclusive. If more people see your breed,
because they're showing their "mutt" at a competition you're at,
they might just be looking to you for their next puppy.
"Thanks for the opportunity to provide feedback on this